23/10/2012

Edna Millay

Hello to all of you, 
We will do a presentation on Edna Millay on Wednesday, Oct 31st
We have picked one poem we're going to talk about, which is “I, Being Born a Woman and Distressed”
Here are the main ideas we have found, feel free to comment and give us your opinion!
Jani & Annabelle

I, Being Born a Woman and Distressed
I, being born a woman and distressed 
By all the needs and notions of my kind,
Am urged by your propinquity to find
Your person fair, and feel a certain zest
To bear your body's weight upon my breast:
So subtly is the fume of life designed,
To clarify the pulse and cloud the mind,
And leave me once again undone, possessed.
Think not for this, however, the poor treason
Of my stout blood against my staggering brain,
I shall remember you with love, or season
My scorn wtih pity, -- let me make it plain:
I find this frenzy insufficient reason
For conversation when we meet again. 


Theme of independence versus submission
In the first verse “ I, being a woman and distressed” the author emphasizes a sort of burden, not that she is not proud of being a woman, but of what it means to be a woman in society and what society itself expects from women, stressing the sorrowfulness about it. Not only because she is a woman but also because of her personality, as we will see. Woman are expected to behave in a passively way and normally they don’t have the same freedom as men do. 
In the second verse “by all my needs and notions of my kind” as we can see, “my needs” she means her personal needs. She is not the kind of woman that likes to be passive, she cherishes her freedom. We get the idea that she is not only referring to herself in this poem, but also to all women, and also to what really it means to be a woman in general, especially in that time, in 1923.

The role of being a traditional woman - expectations
In the third and fourth paragraph she is saying she expects the man she is with, to find the woman he wants, but that explains she is not the one. She doesn’t want to be a traditional woman, the woman that man is looking for, and in the fifth verse “to bear your body’s weight upon my breast:” we interpreted this verse as a sexual reference of the typical position man has when doing sex (the man being on top). So she is saying she doesn’t want to be that kind of woman.
We can also notice that she's ironising the image of the woman by mentioning those expectations. Edna Millay is a voice for all the women who were touched by this phenomenon at in the 20th century. There is a game of power, Edna Millay shows that the character represented, or herself, isn't a traditional woman, doesn't have to be inferior to men, etc.

Contraction of feelings – love and sex
It looks like she is in love with him but she doesn’t want to show it, she doesn’t want to give in to her feelings, because if she does that, she will become submissive and weak, and passive, and she won’t think straight, because she knows he will treat her just like a woman and not like an equal partner and then she won’t be a free woman. And in the end she seems to be sarcastic about it, because she says “I shall remember you with love”, “my scorn with pity – let me make it plain”…So this means she is saying goodbye, not only because she is going to get married (and maybe this man she is getting married with, will treat her equally) but also because she doesn’t want to be the woman her lover wants her to be, the woman he is looking for. We had the feeling that she is indeed in love with this man but if she gives in to her feelings she won’t be able to control the feeling of passivity, so she prefers to have sex with him with no emotions. But she also says that if they meet each other again, when she is already married, they won’t have any kind of conversation about their feelings, only sex with no emotions

11 comentários:

  1. After reading the poem, I agree with some of the ideas you presented, mostly in what society would expect from a woman in a submissive role.
    However throughout the poem I don't see that the speaker is in love with the other person (it's never clear if it is a man or a woman). She confronts the irrationality of the physical urges and the rationality of the mind and how one can easily cloud the other. The submission can, therefore, be explained either for the submissive role of a woman towards a man, as expected by the society, or the carnal submission of a female towards a male, following a natural need. But a mere physical relationship is not sufficient for the speaker, leaving her with a feeling of dissatisfaction.
    Lines 11 and 12 explain that the speaker has, in fact, feelings for her lover, but these are not enough since he/she sees her only in a sexual way. A true love or a true relationship should be of mind and body united, and the fact that the lover does not see that makes the speaker scorn or pity his/hers narrow-minded point of view. And the physical attraction that allegedly exists is not enough reason to maintain a relationship, however brief it may be.
    Madalena Athayde - 44440

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    1. We were saying that there might be feelings because of the verses talking about the debate between the body and the mind. Then I agree, it is definitely not clear. We were talking about it and said that there might be feelings BUT she only wants to keep it to a sexual level and not go further.

      Annabelle Frérou - 47716

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  2. I just want to say thank you for such an interesting choice in the poem. The first time I read it I got a chill up my spine. It is an impacting sonnet that sends a political point across as well as a personal one. The fact that it was written in 1923 only enhances the position of the woman at that time in a society dominated by men. I agree more with Madalena´s interpretation of not seeing the speaker as being in love with someone specific, but more of the speaker taking on a "carpe diem" point of view, and even the theme of emancipation of women. Also, the fact that the author uses the same title as the opening line of the poem I feel is very important because it reiterates the fact that speaker is a Woman, this, together with the fact that she says she is distressed, seems to link together to make the reader think that she is distressed because of the implications that come along with her gender.
    Célia Raquel Pestana Martins - 44164

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    1. We didn't hesitate a moment about the choice of the poem! :) Just like you, we read it and told each other: let's pick that one, it's so interesting. As I said to Madalena, I agree with her vision of the feelings. And it is is true the title is very important, we will mention it in our presentation on Monday.

      Annabelle Frérou - 47716

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  3. Reading this peom I felt that it is a critic to the society Millay had lived (a society that saw women only as an object) but after I have read it a few more times and with your analysis I can see that it is more than that.
    I think that the poem is about a relationship that was not supposed to happen and it is about to end.
    The poetic subject is, somehow, defending herself and her decisions saying that she can not help what she say, does or feels "By all the needs and notions of my kind".
    "My scorn with pity, - let me make it plain:
    I find this frenzy insufficient reason
    For conversation when we meet again" - implies that there is no purpose for them (the poetic subject and the person with she is having an affair) to continue communicating.
    I also think that in this poem Millay is trying to say that women like men can also enjoy a sexual relation outside of a commited relationship.

    Carla A. Pereira Neves 44434

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    1. I also think it is a critic to society, because of the expectations you have when being a woman. And about the relationship it is also what we were thinking with Jani. Since Edna Millay has been known to have extramarital affairs, we were thinking it could be about a lover & that she wanted to end the relationship, maybe because of her upcoming wedding (the poem was written the same year, yet it's just an idea because we don't have the exact dates).
      About the communication, we also thought that it's only sexual and that for her there is no point in having feelings and all, it's only physical.

      Annabelle Frérou 47716

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  4. When first reading this poem, without having seen any other interpretations, I saw in it a bit of irony. In my opinion the poet, being a woman of intellect and valuing her sex just as much as the opposite one, would never accuse her own of being mindless and fragile. In "I, being born a woman and distressed / by all the needs and notions of my kind" she's sort of scorning the notion of women as frail beings, and tells the tale of how she was caught in a web of love against her will, veiling her mind as if she were one of those frail women, and decided against it. She doesn't value the object of this affliction and the frenzy in which he left her as being good enough for her to lose her reason, and thus refuses to continue to talk to this man.

    Teresa Garrocho nº 46056

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  5. The whole poem is filled with both criticism for the way women were treated/seen, and a subtle (or not so much) pride for being a woman, as stated in the title/first verse.
    And, agreeing with the other comments, it is never clear who's the lover she's talking to, but we know that she doesn't want love to burst; she just wants the sexual part of the relationship, the satisfying of her desires of the flesh and that is all. She is a proudful woman that will not tolerate a relationship in the terms that were so common at the time. She wants more power, more freedom, that she attains in this way.

    Luís Pires - 46654

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  6. Annabelle and Jani, please use the literary terminology adequate for analyzing poetry — stanzas (not "paragraphs"), lines (more than "verse," http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/verse?s=t), the poetic subject (not "the author," nor "she").

    It is important to take into consideration the fact that this poem belongs to the modernist literary context, where (as Teresa and Célia point out) irony and self-reflexivity are some of the main rhetorical strategies. More than trying to guess the author's hidden intentions, let us focus on the written text. Please, avoid turning the sonnet into a "soap opera" :)

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  7. Like my colleagues, I too liked this poem. Is very interesting. The first line/title made me remember every novel I have ever read and they all have the same model with the female character, the female is always in distress and needs a man to help and save her, so I agree that the poetic subject is being very ironic using this expression for the start. The poetic subject is a woman that is definitely is very liberal regarding sexual relationships, and decides from the start that what the poetic subject has with the person to whom is talking is nothing but sex and that is not even worth mentioning when they meet again.

    Thank you for choosing this sonnet, it is really amazing.

    Tânia Fortunato - 46517

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  8. I would like to say that I do agree with the analysis you’ve made of the poem. I would also like to agree with what our colleague Raquel said about the struggles women faced in the early 20th century, making the poem not only political but personal as well and with what Madalena said about the speaker not being in love with someone in specific. I believe the poem to be talking about the gender roles, and how women should eagerly expect and wait for a sexual encounter, being submissive. However, I get that the message the poem is trying to convey is that a sexual encounter, for a woman, shouldn’t only limit to this. I also feel that it emphasizes the need for women to be able to have a choice and freedom in having sexual partners without the labels that come with it, especially during the era the poem was written in. The last 2 lines of the poem, “I find this frenzy insufficient reason For conversation when we meet again” I believe reinforces the idea that women, like men, could engage in a sexual encounter without the need to submerge in a relationship – a sort of freedom which despite it not being “acceptable” to men, it wouldn’t damage their “reputation” or character for doing so.
    Thanks for your analysis and in the choice of sonnet!
    Samanta Mello – N. 48753

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